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Friday, January 15, 2010

Debate with a Christian on Jesus (pbuh) being God and a part of Trinity.



The best way according to me, to refute claims of TRINITY and Jesus (pbuh) being God, by the Christians, is to ask the Christian, what according to him is TRINITY and how is Jesus part of it. Believe me, you get different answers from different Christians.

This is a part of the debate I had with a Christian named SULEMAN JOHN.

When asked about TRINITY he told me,

"God is a TRINITY which means that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are all divine, but are distinct persons, not three gods."

My counter question was,

" They are all divine, but are distinct persons, not three Gods? What does it mean? Does it mean that God was only one but resided in three distinct person?"

Now just go through the response he gave me,

HIS RESPONSE:

"I know this may be confusing,but it doesnt mean it is wrong.
It just like God exists,but athiests cannot understand.So according to us,God is a trinity but muslims cannot understand it.

Let me tell you what we believe
"God is ONE,but exists as THREE distinct yet inseperable persons"

Now take this example.LOVE is ONE emotion, right? But it is not ONE in itself !
Love cannot exist without the lover and the beloved,right?.So there is Love,the lover and the beloved,all in complete unity.
So we say God,His word(which became flesh) and His spirit exist as ONE complete unity."

MY REPLY:

"Brother, leave away the Muslims, understanding something which does not exist. Even in your Christian brothers, some accept this TRINITY,and some do not. Alhamdolillah, every sect of Islam, believes in Tawheed. There is no two doubt about it.

If this Trinity concept was so very important, then why didn't Jesus (pbuh) declare it clear cut that listen, God is ONE,but exists as THREE distinct yet inseperable persons?
So, that, if not the Muslims, at least all the Christians sect would have believed in it.


So you say God,His word(which became flesh) and His spirit exist as ONE complete unity.

Therefore Assuming your given theory of Love to be Right,

God cannot exist without His word and His spirit. Right?


Now, brother do you know, that if the lover, or the beloved dies, then, Love is incomplete?

Thus, when you Christians say that Jesus (pbuh) who according to you was His WORD, died on the cross, you will have to agree that God became incomplete and is incomplete, till now.

So, brother, do you agree that your God almighty, the part of TRINITY is now incomplete? Or do you believe that Jesus, was not crucified. Whichever, point you accept, it will be a stricking blow to your Christian belief.

If you agree that your God almighty, the part of TRINITY is now incomplete, then you are refuting your TRINITY claim, hence coming closer to the teachings of ISLAM.

If you agree that Jesus, was not crucified, then you are refuting your CRUCIFICTION claim, hence coming closer to the teachings of ISLAM.Yes brother, so according to you, there is Love,the lover and the beloved,all in complete unity and Love cannot exist without the lover and the beloved.


May God guide you to the truth.

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